John Cumming and Mary McGrigor in Torrachruie
The Fortingall OPR baptisms shows that John Cumming and Mary McGrigor were living on the north side of Loch Rannoch at Torrachruie in the early 1750s. John Cumming may have been the brother of Janet Cumming who was living at Croftcarnach when she married in 1753. Croftcarnach was very close to Torrachruie and there are no other Cumming marriages nor baptisms associated with Croftcarnach.
The first possible baptism of a child for John Cumming and Mary McGrigor, is from a section of the Fortingall OPR which is in a very poor state, with part of the mother's name virtually illegible and the homestead in doubt.
21st September 1751, Fortingall OPR
(missing), daughter to John Cumming and Margaret (missing) was baptised.
The next two baptisms are both from 1752.
13th April 1752, Fortingall OPR
Christian, daughter to John Cumming and Margaret McGregor in Drumcastle was baptised.
24th May 1752, Fortingall OPR
Margaret, daughter to John Cumming and Margaret McGregor in Torchruie was baptised.
It is highly unlikely that these were twins baptised at different times as they were born in different settlements. The Torrachruie entry seems to be correct as there are subsequent baptisms at that location, so the Drumcastle entry looks suspect. There is no record of a John Cumming married to a Margaret McGregor in Drumcastle. As Drumcastle baptisms should have been recorded in the Logierait OPR, the Fortingall Session Clerk could have got the John Cumming from Drumcastle confused with the one from Torrachruie. Thus, it is possible that the Drumcastle entry should have read......
13th April 1752, Fortingall OPR
Christian, daughter to John Cumming and Elspeth McGregor in Drumcastle was baptised.
The next baptism has the mother's name as Mary, but as these were native Gaelic speakers the forename Margaret was sometimes written as Mary, Marjory or May.
9th July 1758, Fortingall OPR
Alexander, son to John Cumming and Mary McGrigor in Torrachruie was baptised.
There also is the strong possibility that there was a son Duncan born earlier than these records. He was living at Torrachruie when he married, would have been in his late twenties at that time, and had his first son baptised with the name of his father, John.
Generation 2: The Children of John Cumming and Margaret/Mary McGrigor in Torrachruie
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Duncan? | ~1749 | Elspeth McLaren | Dec 17 1774 | Torrachruie? | h. w. |
(daughter) | Sep 21 1751 | Torrachruie? | d. | ||
Margaret | May 24 1752 | Alexander Robertson | Aug 12 1791 | Perth | h. w. |
Elspit | Jul 6 1756 | Duncan Robertson | Oct 1 1788 | Torrachruie | h. w. |
Alexander | Jul 9 1758 | Mary Menzies | Dec 21 1783 | Torrachruie | h. w. |
Duncan Cumming and Elizabeth (Elspeth) McLaren in Torrachruie
12th December 1774, Fortingall OPR
Duncan Cumming in Torchruie in this parish of Fortingall and Elizabeth (Elspet) McLaren in Drumcastle in Logierait parish were lawfully booked
(for marriage).
21st January 1776, Fortingall OPR
Margaret, daughter to Duncan Cumming and Elizabeth McLaren in Torchruie was baptised.
12th April 1782, Fortingall OPR
John, son to Duncan Cumming and Elizabeth McLaren in Torrachruie was baptised.
Generation 3: The Children of Duncan Cumming and Elizabeth (Elspeth) McLaren in Torrachruie
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Margaret | Jan 21 1776 | Torchruie | d. | ||
Janet | Nov 2 1777 | died in childhood |
Fortingall parish |
d. by 1785 | |
John | Apr 12 1782 | Fortingall parish |
d. | ||
Janet | Mar 24 1785 | Robert Drew | Oct 7 1805 | Kinnoull | h. before 1855 w. 2 Feb 1855 |
Alexander* | Feb 12 1788 | Fortingall parish |
d. | ||
Mary | Dec 15 1790 | Fortingall parish |
d. |
* The mother of Alexander Cumming is given as Elspeth McLean, but this seems to have been a clerical error by the Registrar. There is no marriage between such a couple in the whole of Perthshire, nor are there any other recorded baptisms apart from that of Alexander.
Robert Drew and Janet Cumming in Kilspindie
7th October 1805, Kilspindie OPR
Robert Drew and Janet Cumming, (married).
2nd February 1855, Kinnoull (death certificate)
Jannet Drew, aged 69 years, born at Kinloch Rannoch and living for the last 7 months in Kinnoull, died at Sweetwards, Balthayock, on
2nd February 1855 and was buried at Kilspindie as witnessed by her daughter Betty Drew or Watson. Her parents were given as Duncan Cumming,
shepherd, and Elizabeth McLaren, both deceased. Her husband was Robert Drew, deceased ploughman, and their children were given as:
John, deceased aged 19y in 1830; Thomas, 42y; Mary, deceased aged 36y in 1850; Betty, 38y; Jannet, 36y; and Michael, 32y
(all born in Kilspindie parish).
Generation 3: The Children of Robert Drew and Janet Cumming in Kilspindie
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
John | Dec 21 1806 | unmarried | Kilspindie | d. 1830 | |
Thomas | Apr 10 1808 | Perth | d. 1870 | ||
Mary | ~1814 | d. 1850 | |||
Betty (Elizabeth) |
~1816 | .... Watson | Morningside | d. 1907 | |
Jannet | Aug 30 1818 | Perth | d. 1879 | ||
Michael Todd | Jul 25 1823 | Paisley | d. 1892 |
Alexander Robertson and Margaret Cumming in Perth
12th August 1791, Perth OPR
Contracted, Alexander Robertson, day labourer in Perth and Margaret Cumming in Turrichies (Torrachruie) in Rannoch in the parish of Fortingall,
daughter of John Cumming, farmer there - Deacon Thomas Peddie. The persons before named were regularly proclaimed and married 26th August said
year by Mr John Moncrieff, Missionary Minister of Kinloch Rannoch and Foss.
13th August 1791, Fortingall OPR
Alexander Robertson in Tulloch, Perth parish and Margaret Cumming in Torrachruie in this parish, entered their names to be proclaimed in order
to marriage.
The couple appear to have had just one child, a daughter baptised as Elspith, 30th September 1792, in Perth.
Duncan Robertson and Elspit Cumming in Balintuim of Rannoch?
It is thought that this Elspeth Cumming was the Elizabeth Cumming who had her marriage banns with Duncan Robertson proclaimed on 1st October 1788 in Fortingall parish. However, the entry in the Fortingall OPR does not confirm this, as it just says that bride and groom were "both in this parish".
As far as is known Duncan Robertson and Elizabeth Cumming had only two daughters, born around 1789 and 1792, which sounds like an older bride, so it seems more likely that Duncan Robertson's wife was the daughter of John Cumming - unless new evidence shows otherwise.
Generation 3: The Children of Duncan Robertson and Elspit Cumming in Drumcoiller
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Janet | ~1789 | James Menzies | Jun 5 1808 | west of Aberfeldy |
h. w. |
Elizabeth | ~1792 | unmarried | . | Drumcoiller | d. 25 Apr 1868 |
There are no baptismal entries in any of the OPRs for their daughters, and the validity of their parentage stems from Elizabeth Robertson's death certificate of 1868.
Elizabeth Robertson, unmarried pauper and formerly a domestic servant, died at Drumcoiller of Rannoch on 25th April 1868, aged 76 years. Her parents were given as Duncan Robertson, labourer, and Elizabeth Cumming, both deceased. The informant was Janet Munro, her niece.
The information concerning the informant on the death certificate is crucial in showing that Janet Robertson was the sister of Elizabeth Robertson. This assertion is supported by the census returns for Fortingall parish, part of which was separated off as Kinloch Rannoch parish in 1861.
James Menzies and Janet Robertson in Urlar
14th February 1808, Fortingall OPR
James Menzies and Janet Robertson, both in this parish, entered their names (to be proclaimed in order to marriage).
The couple had eleven children over the next 20 years. Here are a few of the baptismal records which show the family in one general location but moving from farm to farm. James probably was working as a farm servant, saving money until he could tenant his own property - Urlar by 1841.
26th July 1808, Fortingall OPR
Jean, daughter to James Menzies and Janet Robertson in Croftcour (was baptised)
16th November 1810, Fortingall OPR
Duncan, son to James Menzies and Janet Robertson in Croftcour (was baptised)
13th September 1817, Fortingall OPR
Susan, daughter to James Menzies and Janet Robertson in Dunskiag (was baptised)
21st June 1821, Fortingall OPR
Janet, daughter to James Menzies and Janet Robertson in Dunacree (was baptised)
Croftcour, Dunskiag and Dunacree were all close to each other, west of Aberfeldy on the south side of the river Tay.
By the time of the 1841 census, James Menzies and his family were farming at Urlar, a few miles further south on the Urlar Burn. The family had been at Urlar from, at least, 1835. In 1834, the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland passed the Veto Act, removing the absolute right of landowners to appoint ministers to their parish. The Act gave male heads of families who were communicants with the parish the right to veto the appointment of a new minister if a majority of them objected. James Menzies tenant in Urlar is listed but states that he was "connected with the church of Fortingall but not communicating at the Parish Church". Aberfeldy would have been a much closer church to attend, but was in Dull parish not Fortingall parish.
Dwelling | Name | Age | Occupation | Birth-place |
---|---|---|---|---|
Urlar | James Menzies | 55y | farmer | Perthshire |
Janet Menzies | 55y | Perthshire | ||
Jean Menzies | 30y | Perthshire | ||
Duncan Menzies | 30y | Perthshire | ||
Susan Menzies | 20y | Perthshire | ||
Robert Menzies | 15y | Perthshire | ||
John Menzies | 13y | Perthshire | ||
Alexander Menzies | 10y | Perthshire | ||
Margaret McLellan | 4y | Perthshire |
Their daughter Janet was living with her aunt, Elizabeth Robertson, at Balintuim of Rannoch. The whole family dispersed after 1841, presumably after the death of James Menzies.
The children of James Menzies and Janet Robertson in Urlar
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Jean | Jul 26 1809 | . | . | . | d. |
Duncan | Nov 16 1810 | . | . | . | d. |
Christian | Sep 11 1812 | . | . | . | d. |
James | Sep 13 1815 | . | . | . | d. |
Susan | Sep 13 1817 | . | . | . | d. |
Donald | Mar 15 1819 | . | . | . | d. |
Janet | Jun 21 1821 | John Munro | 1842 | Balintuim | h. w. |
William | Mar 7 1823 | . | . | . | d. |
Robert | Mar 14 1825 | . | . | . | d. |
John | Aug 26 1827 | . | . | . | d. |
Alexander | Mar 31 1830 | . | . | . | d. |
John Munro and Janet Menzies in Balintuim of Rannoch
The 1841 census return has limited detail, such as family relationships, and the ages tended to be rounded down so that a 44 years old person might be recorded as bing only 40.
1841 Census Return for Balintuim, Fortingall parish
Dwelling | Name | Age | Occupation | Birth-place |
---|---|---|---|---|
3 | Alexander Munro | 70y | gardener | not Perthshire |
Mary Munro | 70y | not Perthshire | ||
Mary Munro | 30y | Perthshire | ||
John Munro | 30y | Perthshire | ||
Alexander McNaughton | 9y | Perthshire | ||
James McGregor | 5y | Perthshire | ||
5 | Eliza Robertson | 45y | Perthshire | |
Janet Menzies | 25y | Perthshire | ||
Donald MacDonald | 9m | Perthshire |
Janet Menzies was Elizabeth Robertson's neice, and married John Munro who lived nearby but there is no OPR entry for the marriage banns. The Civil Registration birth certificate of their son William, dated 20th March 1855, shows that they were married at Ballintuim in 1842.
On the birth certificate John Munro is described as a 43 year-old labourer, born at Mount Alexander (Dunalastair), and his wife Janet Menzies was 40 years old and had been born at Blairfettie, Glen Errochty. She does not have a baptismal record in the Blair Atholl OPR for that location. William was her 8th child and all eight were still alive in 1855.
1851 Census Return for Ballintuim, Fortingall parish
Dwelling | Name | Occupation | Related | Status | Age | Birth-place |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
46 | John Munro | farmer of 20 acres | head | marr | 40y | Fortingall |
Jessy Munro | wife | marr | 36y | Blair Atholl | ||
Robert Munro | scholar | son | u/m | 8y | Fortingall | |
Mary Munro | scholar | dau | u/m | 7y | Fortingall | |
Alexander Munro | scholar | son | u/m | 5y | Fortingall | |
James Munro | infant | son | u/m | 1y | Fortingall |
John Munro died in 1858 and the family moved from Ballintuim to Drumcoiller. John Munro was the son of Alexander Munro and Mary McDonald.
Elizabeth Robertson, Janet Munro's younger sister was living closeby.
1861 Census Return for Drumcoiller, Kinloch Rannoch parish, formerly part of Fortingall parish
Dwelling | Name | Occupation | Related | Status | Age | Birth-place |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Drumcoiller 22 | Jannet Munro | keeping family | head | widow | 46y | Blair Atholl |
Mary Munro | farm servant | dau | u/m | 17y | Fortingall | |
Margaret Munro | scholar | dau | u/m | 13y | Fortingall | |
James Munro | scholar | son | u/m | 11y | Fortingall | |
Jannet Munro | scholar | dau | u/m | 9y | Fortingall | |
John Munro | scholar | son | u/m | 7y | Fortingall | |
William Munro | scholar | son | u/m | 6y | Fortingall | |
Elizabeth Munro | dau | u/m | 3y | Fortingall | ||
Polly Munro (Margaret) |
farm servant | sis-in-law | u/m | 52y | Fortingall | |
Drumcoiller 23 | Elizabeth Robertson | farm servant | occupier | u/m | 69y | Fortingall |
As previously mentioned, Elizabeth Robertson, unmarried pauper and formerly a domestic servant, died at Drumcoiller of Rannoch on 25th April 1868, aged 76 years. Her parents were given as Duncan Robertson, labourer, and Elizabeth Cumming, both deceased. The informant was Janet Munro her niece.
By 1871 only 12 year-old Elizabeth Munro was living with her mother Jannet, now aged 51 years, along with aunt 'Polly'.
Ten years later the 1881 census shows the family back at East Balintuim.
Dwelling | Name | Occupation | Related | Status | Age | Birth-place |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
East Balintuim | Jannet Munro | housekeeper | head | widow | 66y | Blair Atholl |
James Munro | shepherd | son | u/m | 30y | Fortingall | |
Elisa Munro | housemaid | dau | u/m | 23y | Fortingall | |
Mary McDonald | scholar | g.dau | u/m | 13y | Fortingall | |
Jessy Robertson | scholar | g.dau | u/m | 9y | Fortingall |
Janet Munro or Menzies died in Kinloch Rannoch parish in 1895 aged 80 years.
The Children of John Munro and Janet Menzies in Balintuim of Rannoch
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Robert | ~1843 | Balintuim | d. after 1851 | ||
Mary | ~1844 | Drumcoiller | d. after 1861 | ||
Alexander | ~1846 | Balintuim | d. after 1851 | ||
Margaret | ~1848 | Drumcoiller | d. after 1861 | ||
James | ~1850 | Drumcoiller | d. after 1881 | ||
Jannet | ~1852 | Drumcoiller | d. after 1861 | ||
John | ~1854 | Drumcoiller | d. after 1861 | ||
William | Mar 20 1855 | Drumcoiller | d. after 1861 | ||
Elizabeth | Jun 13 1857 | Drumcoiller | d. after 1881 |
Alexander Cumming and Mary Menzies in Torrachruie
21st December 1783, Fortingall
Alexander Cummin and Mary Menzies, both in this parish, gave up their names (for proclamation in order to marriage).
17th October 1792, Fortingall
James, son to Alexander Cumming and Mary Menzies in Torrachruie was baptised.
1st December 1798, Fortingall
Margaret, daughter to Alexander Cumming and Mary Menzies in Innerhaddon.
11th March 1801, Fortingall
Allan, son to Alexander Cumming and Mary Menzies in Innerhaddon. (entered twice)
Generation 3: The Children of Alexander Cumming and Mary Menzies in Torrachruie
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Elizabeth | Oct 12 1783 | Donald Stewart | Dec 16 1804 | Innerhaddon | h. w. |
Mary | Sep 26 1784 | Donald McDougall | May 30 1806 | Drumcastle | h. w. |
Duncan | Jul 15 1788 | Mary McOmish | ~1810 | Muthill village | h. 31 Jan 1857 w. 22 Dec 1861 |
John | Oct 31 1790 | Carie | d. | ||
James | Oct 17 1792 | Grizel Campbell | Dec 10 1826 | Drumcastle | h. 1847-51 w. after 1871 |
Margaret | Dec 1 1798 | Duncan Campbell | Dec 14 1823 | Kinloch Rannoch | h. 1879? w. 13 Mar 1890 |
Allan | Mar 11 1801 | Innerhaddon | d. | ||
Robert | ~1803 | Mary Crawford | Dec 9 1838 Crieff |
Knockieston, Monzievaird |
h. 20 Apr 1878 w. 1885 |
Donald Stewart and Elizabeth Cumming in Innerhaddon
16th December 1804, Fortingall
Donald Stewart in Innerhaddon and Elizabeth Cumming in Kinloch (were booked for marriage).
The couple had at least four children baptised, all born at Innerhaddon. In addition, they probably had another daughter prior to them. born at Innerhaddon, around 1805-6, and named Elizabeth.
5th May 1809, Fortingall OPR
Jean, daughter to Donald Stewart and Elizabeth Cumming in Innerhaddon (was baptised).
16th February 1811, Fortingall OPR
Duncan, son to Donald Stewart and Elizabeth Cumming in Innerhaddon (was baptised).
28th May 1814, Fortingall OPR
Allan, son to Donald Stewart and Elizabeth Cumming in Innerhaddon (was baptised).
5th April 1815, Fortingall OPR
Girsal, daughter to Donald Stewart and Elizabeth Cumming in Innerhaddon (was baptised).
(Generation 4) The Children of Donald Stewart and Elizabeth Cumming in Innerhaddon
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Elizabeth | ~1805 | 1. Donald McGregor 2. Duncan McLellan |
Dec 5 1825 before 1855 |
Innerhaddon | h1. before 1855 h2. after 1878 w. 19 Sep 1878 |
Jean | May 5 1809 | . | . | Innerhaddon | d. |
Duncan | Feb 16 1811 | . | . | Innerhaddon | d. |
Allan | May 28 1814 | . | . | Innerhaddon | d. |
Girsal | Apr 5 1815 | . | . | Innerhaddon | d. |
Donald McGregor and Elizabeth Cumming in Innerhaddon
Elizabeth Stewart died in 1878, after the commencement of Civil Registration, so her parentage should have been straight-forward as her death certificate gives her parents as Donald Stewart, farmer and Margaret Cumming, both deceased. However, there is no entry of marriage banns for such a couple in any of the Perthshire OPRs, neither is there a baptismal record for Elizabeth Stewart herself. Obviously the parental names on the death certificate are inaccurate.
As Elizabeth Stewart was said to be aged 74 years when she died, she must have been born around 1804 and her age on census returns for 1871 and 1861 suggest, roughly, the same date. The census returns also state that she was born in Fortingall parish, and her marriage certificate give her residence in 1825 as Innerhaddon.
5th December 1825, Fortingall OPR
Donald McGregor and Elisabeth Stewart, both in Innerhaddon in this parish (married).
Assuming that her mother's surname is correct, as it is uncommon compared to Cameron, then the name of Margaret Cumming on the death certificate was written in error for Elizabeth Cumming. This theory is supported in two ways. All of the children of Donald Stewart and Elizabeth Cumming were born at Innerhaddon, where Elizabeth Stewart was living when she married. Secondly, although Donald Stewart and Elizabeth Cumming married 16th December 1804, the first baptism (for their daughter Jean) is dated 5th May 1809, nearly five year later with subsequent birth occuring every two or three years later. So the birth of Elizabeth would fit this sequence of events.
Donald McGregor and Elizabeth Stewart seem to have had only one child baptised - John, 21st August 1836, Fortingall OPR.
Donald McGregor may have died shortly after the birth of his son, as Donald's wife and son were living at Kinloch Rannoch with Elizabeth Stewart (i.e. Elizabeth Cumming, her mother) at the time of the 1841 census.
Dwelling | Name | Age | Occupation | Birthplace |
---|---|---|---|---|
Kinloch Rannoch | Elizabeth Stewart | 60y | Perthshire | |
Elizabeth Stewart | 32y | Perthshire | ||
John McGregor | 4y | Perthshire |
Widow Elizabeth Stewart or McGregor subsequently married Duncan McLellan at some time between 1841 and 1851, as the 1851 census shows her as the wife of Duncan McLellan, himself a widower.
Dwelling | Name | Occupation | Related | Status | Age | Birthplace |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Lassintullich | Duncan McLellan | wright, apprentice | head | marr | 45y | Fortingall |
Elizabeth McLellan | wife | marr | 42y | Fortingall | ||
Catharine McLellan | dau | u/m | 18y | Dull | ||
James McLellan | wright, apprentice | son | u/m | 16y | Dull | |
Alexander McLellan | scholar | son | u/m | 7y | Fortingall |
By 1871 the couple had moved to West Tempar.
Dwelling | Name | Occupation | Related | Status | Age | Birthplace |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
West Tempar | Duncan McLellan | master joiner | head | marr | 65y | Fortingall |
Elizabeth McLellan | wife | marr | 65y | Fortingall |
Donald McDougall and Mary Cumming in Milnavaddy and Drumcastle
30th May 1806, Fortingall
Donald McDougall at Milnavaddy and Mary Cumming at Drumcastle, parish of Logierait (were booked for marriage).
The use of 'at' rather than 'in' usually meant that this was not the person's usual residence. According to his son's death certificate, Donald McDougall was a meal miller. He may have been related to the McDougal family who were millers for Robert 'Ban' Robertson at the Mill of Invervack.
Mary Cumming's brother James was a weaver in East Drumcastle when he married Grizel Campbell in 1826. However this would be a very tenuous link, as he would have been only 13 years old when Mary married, unless his father had moved to Drumcastle with his wife and children.
The OPRs do not record the baptisms of any children but the civil registration of deaths, which commenced in 1855, shows that the couple had at least two children but did not get them formally baptised.
The 1841 Grace McDougall was employed as a female servant by her uncle Robert Cumming in Newbigging farm, close to Kincardine West.
At the time of the 1851 census Alexander McDougall and his sister were living at Balmore, a farm a few miles north-west of Dunalastair.
Dwelling | Name | Occupation | Related | Status | Age | Birthplace |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Balmore, Rannoch |
Alexander McDougal | farmer of 5 acres | head | u/m | 40y | Logierait |
Grace McDougal | housekeeper | sister | u/m | 31y | Logierait | |
James Cumming | scholar | cousin | u/m | 9y | Madderty |
James Cumming was the son of James Cumming and Grizel Campbell in Tuchethill, Maderty. His father had died and the children were taken in by their relatives.
As the census records that both Alexander McDougall and his sister were born in Logierait parish, their family probably were living in Drumcastle at that time.
Alexander McDougall, unmarried saw-miller, died at Balmore, Rannoch, on 8th October 1863 aged 53 years. His parents were given as Donald McDougall, meal miller, and Mary Cumming, both deceased. The informant was Duncan McDiarmid, a joiner at Kinloch Rannoch.
The 1871 Grace McDougall was employed at Gaskan by Charles Robertson, as an unmarried general domestic servant. Her age was given as 48 years and her place of birth as Rannoch.
The 1881 census shows that Alexander's unmarried sister, Grace McDougall, was living alone at Balmore.
Grace McDougall, unmarried general servant, died at Kinloch Rannoch, on 4th January 1893 aged 72 years. Her parents were given as Donald McDougall, farmer, and Mary Cumming, both deceased. The informant was Helen Campbell, her cousin.
Helen Campbell, her cousin, probably was the daughter of Mary's sister Margaret who was married to Duncan Campbell in Kinloch Rannoch.
Generation 4: The Children of Donald McDougall and Mary Cumming in Fortingall parish
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Alexander | ~1810 | unmarried | Balmore, Rannoch |
d. 8 Oct 1863 | |
Grace | ~1821 | unmarried | Kinloch Rannoch | d. 4 Jan 1893 |
Duncan Cumming and Mary McOmish in Muthill
If Duncan Cumming did formally marry, and there is no entry in any OPR to confirm that he did, then he would have been relatively young, probably not more than 22 years old. His wife was the daughter of Duncan McComish and Elizabeth Millar who were in the parish of Blackford before moving to Muthill parish, where Mary was born 28th April 1793. So she would have been only 17 when they married. The surname of 'McComish' has a number of different spellings, such as McOmish and McAinsh.
The parish of Muthill is to the south of Crieff, so it is hard to explain why Duncan Cumming had moved to this area. Perhaps he was just looking for work.
The whereabouts of the family at the time of the 1841 census is unknown.
The 1851 Census Return shows just Robert Cumming living with his parents. His sister Christian, aged 18 years, was working closeby (2/10).
Dwelling | Name | Occupation | Related | Status | Age | Birthplace |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Muthill 2/5 | Duncan Cumming | head | marr | 63y | ||
Mary Cumming | wife | marr | 57y | Muthill | ||
Robert Cumming | son | u/m | 22y | Muthill |
31st January 1857, Muthill parish
Duncan Cumming, a married weaver, died at Muthill village on 31st January 1857 aged 68 years and was buried in Muthill churchyard.
His parents were given as Alexander Cumming, labourer, and Mary Menzies, both deceased. The informant was his son Robert.
Robert Cumming and his widowed mother were still living in Muthill vilage at the time of the 1861 Census.
Dwelling | Name | Occupation | Related | Status | Age | Birthplace |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Muthill 8/4 | Mary Cumming | head | widow | 69y | Muthill | |
Robert Cumming | son | marr | 32y | Muthill | ||
Christian Cumming | dau | u/m | 28y | Muthill |
Mary McOmish died 22nd December 1861.
Generation 4: The Children of Duncan Cumming and Mary McOmish in Muthill parish
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Alexander | Nov 30 1810 | died in infancy |
d. by 1813 | ||
Alexander | Sep 5 1813 | died in childhood |
d. by 1825 | ||
Duncan | Aug 27 1815 | unmarried | Muthill | d. 7 Aug 1865 | |
John | Jun 7 1818 | d. | |||
Elizabeth | Aug 27 1820 | Muthill | d. 1876 | ||
Mary | Nov 3 1822 | d. | |||
Alexander | Aug 20 1825 | d. | |||
Robert | Mar 1 1829 | Grace McIlvride | 1860 | Muthill | h. w. |
Christian | May 2 1833 | d. after 1861 |
Duncan Cumming in Muthill
Duncan Cumming, unmarried ploughman, died at Muthill on 7th August 1865, aged 50 years. Parents were given as Duncan Cumming, cotton weaver, and Mary McOnish, both deceased. The informant was Robert Cumming, his brother.
Robert Cumming and Grace McIlvride in Muthill
Robert Cumming married Grace McIlvride in 1860 and their daughter Jean was born before the 1861 census was carried out. Grace aged 20y and Jean aged 1 year were living at Muthill (7/15).
The census return shows their Robert had five children by 1871.
Dwelling | Name | Occupation | Related | Status | Age | Birthplace |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Muthill 7/8 | Robert Cumming | head | marr | 40y | Muthill | |
Grace Cumming | wife | marr | 30y | Muthill | ||
Jane Cumming | dau | u/m | 11y | Muthill | ||
Mary Cumming | dau | u/m | 9y | Muthill | ||
Duncan Cumming | son | u/m | 6y | Muthill | ||
Alexander Cumming | son | u/m | 4y | Muthill | ||
Elisabeth Cumming | dau | u/m | 2y | Muthill |
The 1881 Census Return shows the family living at Willoughby Street in Muthill.
Dwelling | Name | Occupation | Related | Status | Age | Birthplace |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Willoughby St. | Robert Cumming | gen. labourer | head | marr | 51y | Muthill |
Grace Cumming | wife | marr | 40y | Muthill | ||
Jane Cumming | servant | dau | u/m | 21y | Muthill | |
Duncan Cumming | farm servant | son | u/m | 16y | Muthill | |
James Cumming | scholar | son | u/m | 9y | Muthill | |
Robert Cumming | scholar | son | u/m | 7y | Muthill | |
Lewis Cumming | son | u/m | 4y | Muthill | ||
John Doig | g.son | u/m | 5m | Muthill |
Generation 5: The Children of Robert Cumming and Grace McIlvride in Muthill
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Jane (Jean) |
~1860 | John Doig | 1881 | Muthill | h. w. |
Mary | ~1862 | Kennedy | Muthill | d. 1930 | |
Duncan | ~1865 | Auchterarder | d. 1927 | ||
Alexander | ~1867 | Comrie | d. 1927 | ||
Elizabeth | ~1869 | Muthill | d. | ||
James | ~1872 | Muthill | d. | ||
Robert | ~1874 | Perth | d. 1929 | ||
Lewis | ~1877 | Muthill | d. |
James Cumming and Grizel Campbell in Madderty
9th December 1826, Logierait OPR
James Cumming, weaver in Easter Drumcastle in this parish and Grace Campbell in Dull (village?) gave up their names for proclamation of
the Banns of Marriage. Granted marriages lines 10th December 1826.
11th December 1826, Dull OPR
James Cumming in ......... and Grizel Campbell in ........................
James Cumming and his wife were in Madderty area by 1829
The 1841 census shows the family living at Tuchethill farm, Madderty
Dwelling | Name | Age | Occupation | Birthplace |
---|---|---|---|---|
Touchethill | James Cumming | 44y | ag. labourer | Perthshire |
Grace Cumming | 40y | Perthshire | ||
Danial Cumming | 12y | Perthshire | ||
Margaret Cumming | 10y | Perthshire | ||
Mary Cumming | 7y | Perthshire | ||
John Cumming | 3y | Perthshire | ||
James Cumming | 6m | Perthshire |
Their son William was born at Madderty around 1848 according to the 1851 census, which also states that Grace Cumming was a widow. So James Cumming must have died between 1847 and 1851. After the death of her husband, Grace and her youngest child went to live with Grace's older sister, Elizabeth McGregor in Dull village in the house next to the manse. Grace's son John Cumming went to live with his uncle Robert Cumming, as shown in the 1851 census for Monzievaird and Strowan. James, the youngest son, went to live with Alexander McDougal and Grace McDougal at Balmore in Rannoch.
Dwelling | Name | Occupation | Related | Status | Age | Birthplace |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Dull | Elizabeth McGregor | pauper, former ag. labourer |
head | widow | 60y | Dull |
Grace Cumming | sister | widow | 49y | Dull | ||
William Cumming | nephew | u/m | 3y | Madderty |
Elizabeth McGregor died in 1861 and her death certificate shows that the parents of Grace Cumming were Donald Campbell and Margaret Dewar (or Deor) who married in Dull parish, 28th January 1786.
Elizabeth McGregor, pauper and widow of Duncan McGregor, tailor, died at Dull (village) on 16th February 1861 aged 69 years. Her parents were given as Donald Campbell, weaver, and Margaret Dewar, both deceased. The informant was Grace Cumming, her sister, who signed with 'her mark'.
Grace Cumming, now aged 55 years, and her son William aged 12, had returned to Madderty by the time of the 1861 census. Grace was still there in 1871.
Generation 4: The Children of James Cumming and Grizel (Grace) Campbell in Madderty
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
James | Apr 19 1829 | died in childhood |
Crieff | d. by 1840 | |
Daniel (Donald) |
~1829 | Madderty | d. after 1841 | ||
Margaret | ~1831 | Madderty | d. after 1841 | ||
Mary | ~1834 | Madderty | d. after 1841 | ||
John | Mar 11 1838 | Madderty | d. after 1851 | ||
James | Dec 17 1840 | Madderty | d. 1861 | ||
William | ~1848 | Madderty | d. after 1861 |
Duncan Campbell and Margaret Cumming in Kinloch Rannoch
14th December 1823, Logierait OPR
Duncan Campbell, weaver in Drumcastle, Rannoch, and Margaret Cumming, daughter to Alexander Cumming, also in Drumcastle gave up their names for
proclamation of marriage. Granted marriage lines.
7th March 1829, Fortingall OPR
Archibald, son to Duncan Campbell and Margaret Cumming (in) Clachglas, born 1st January, baptised 7th March.
Clachglas is shown on the 1st edition of the 6 inch O.S. map as being on the north shore of Loch Rannoch, close to Kinloch Rannoch. It appears to have been a single building with a small plot of ground for growing vegetables.
The 1841 census shows the family, probably at Clachglas.
Dwelling | Name | Age | Occupation | Birthplace |
---|---|---|---|---|
Kinloch? 10/1 | Duncan Campbell | 35y | mason? | Perthshire |
Margaret Campbell | 35y | Perthshire | ||
Archibald Campbell | 10y | Perthshire | ||
Helen Campbell | 7y | Perthshire |
The 1851 census return shows that Helen Campbell had an elder brother, John.
Dwelling | Name | Occupation | Related | Status | Age | Birthplace |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Easter Carie (15) | Duncan Campbell | weaver | head | marr | 49y | Fortingall |
Margaret Campbell | wife | marr | 51y | Fortingall | ||
John Campbell | son | u/m | 19y | Fortingall | ||
Helen Campbell | dau | u/m | 17y | Fortingall |
1881 census Kinloch
Margaret Campbell, head widow 82 years housekeeper b Fortingall
Helen Campbell, dau, u/m 42 y, dressmaker, b Fortingall.
Margaret Cumming, widow of Duncan Campbell, mason, died at Kinloch Rannoch on 13th March 1890 aged 92 years. Parents given as Alexander Cumming, farmer, and Mary Menzies, both deceased. Informant was Helen Campbell, her daughter.
Helen Campbell, unmarried dressmaker, died at Kinloch Rannoch on 6th September 1899 aged 60 years. Parents given as Duncan Campbell, mason, and Margaret Cumming, both deceased. Informant was Margaret Campbell, sister-in-law.
Generation 4: The Children of Duncan Campbell and Margaret Cumming in Kinloch Rannoch
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Archibald | Mar 7 1829 | Kinloch Rannoch | d. | ||
John | ~1832 | Kinloch Rannoch | d. 1910? | ||
Helen | ~1834 | unmarried | Kinloch Rannoch | d. 6 Sep 1899 |
Robert Cumming and Mary Crawford in Knockieston, Monzievaird and Strowan
It is most disappointing that the marriage entry in the Crieff OPR for 9th December 1838 merely gives the names of the two parties being married, providing no additional information.
Although their first child, David, was baptised in Crieff parish, 15th September 1839, by 1841 Robert Cumming and his family were living at Newbigging farm, close to Kincardine West. Perhaps they attended a Gaelic church in Crieff, instead of the local parish church.
Dwelling | Name | Age | Occupation | Birthplace |
---|---|---|---|---|
Newbigging | Robert Cumming | 35y | farmer | Perthshire |
Mary Cumming* | 3y | Perthshire | ||
David Cumming | 1y | Perthshire | ||
Grace McDougal** | 20y | female servant | Perthshire |
* The '3-year-old Mary Cumming' is a clerical error for Robert's wife and the age should be 30 according to later census returns.
** Grace McDougal, the female servant, was the daughter of Robert's sister, Mary Cumming, and Donald McDougal.
The 1851 census for Monzievaird and Strowan (7/4) seems to name their farm as Upper Lochlane.
Dwelling | Name | Occupation | Related | Status | Age | Birthplace |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Upper Lochlane | Robert Cumming | farmer of 77 acres | head | marr | 45y | Rannoch |
Mary Cumming | wife | marr | 40y | Madderty | ||
David Cumming | scholar | son | u/m | 11y | Crieff | |
John Cumming | scholar | nephew | u/m | 13y | Madderty | |
Christian McLaren | farm servant | servt | u/m | 26y | Little Dunkeld |
By 1861 the family had moved to Knockieston, a slightly larger adjacent farm. The Perthshire Ordnance Survey Name Book 1859-62 (volume 60, OS1/25/60/65) describes Knockieston as "a farm steading, dwelling house and offices, one story, slated and in good repair, property of the Right Honourable Lord Abercromby". It would seem that a James Cumming was living there at this time, as well as Robert Cumming. This James Cumming might have been the son of his deceased brother, James Cumming in Madderty. James Cumming jnr. died in 1861.
Dwelling | Name | Occupation | Related | Status | Age | Birthplace |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Upper Lochlane | Robert Cumming | farmer of 80 acres | head | marr | 55y | Pitlochry |
Mary Cumming | wife | marr | 50y | Madderty | ||
David Cumming | son | u/m | 20y | Crieff | ||
Margaret Campbell | dom. servt | servt | u/m | 18y | Crieff | |
Robert Nicol | farm servt | servt | u/m | 12y | Crieff |
Robert Cumming, farmer married to May Crawford, died 20th April 1878 at Knockieston, parish of Monziecaurd and Strowan, aged 75 years. His parents were given as Alexander Cumming, dyker, and Mary Menzies, both deceased. The informant was his son David Cumming, living at 7 Clyde Street, Liverpool. (David is thought to have taken over the farm).
Generation 4: The Children of Robert Cumming and Mary Crawford in Monzievaird and Strowan
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
David | Sep 15 1839 | Mary Fordice | 1878 | Knockiston | h. 1894 w. after 1911 |
David Cumming and Mary Fordice (Fordyce) in Knockiston
Robert Cumming, illegitimate son to David Cumming, potato merchant, and Mary Fordyce, domestic servant, was born at Hill Wynd, Crieff, 9th January 1871. Mary Fordyce signed with her mark.
Robert Cumming married Mary Fordyce seven years later (Blythswood, 1878), and had two more children by the time of the 1881 census.
Dwelling | Name | Occupation | Related | Status | Age | Birthplace |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Knockiston | David Cumming | farmer of 147 acres | head | marr | 40y | Crieff |
Mary Cumming | wife | marr | 36y | Crieff | ||
Robert Cumming | scholar | son | u/m | 10y | Crieff | |
David Crawford Cumming | son | u/m | 2y | Monzievaird | ||
Alexander Cumming | son | u/m | 2m | Monzievaird | ||
Mary Cumming | annuitant | mother | widow | 76y | Madderty | |
Janet Black | servt | gen. servt | u/m | 28y | Crieff | |
Andrew Harris | servt | farm servt | u/m | 20y | Dron |
Generation 5: The Children of David Cumming and Mary Fordice (Fordyce) in Knockiston
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Robert | Jan 9 1871 | Knockiston | d. | ||
David | ~1879 | Knockiston | d. 1915 | ||
Alexander | ~1881 | Knockiston | d. | ||
Duncan | ~1883 | Knockiston | d. 1902 | ||
Mary | ~1885 | Knockiston | d. | ||
Williamr | ~1888 | Knockiston | d. |
Duncan McGrigor and Janet Cumming in Torrachruie and Annat
11th March 1753, Fortingall OPR
Duncan McGrigor in Foss House and Janet Cumming in Croftcarnach, both in this parish were lawfully booked (in order to marriage)
Croftcarnach is not mentioned in any other Cumming marriage or baptism. It is presumed that Janet was the sister of John Cumming in adjacent Torrachruie, but she may have been living at Croftcarnach with her father.
The couple do not seem to have had any children for seven years after their marriage. Had Duncan McGrigor enlisted? Their first child appears to have been born at Torrachruie, before the family moved to Annat. This suggests that Duncan was not a tenant farmer.
22nd June 1760, Fortingall OPR
Janit, daughter to Duncan McGrigor and Janet Cumming in Torrachruie was baptised.
15th January 1764, Fortingall OPR
Ewan, son to Duncan McGrigor and Janet Cumming in Annat(?) was baptised.
In 'The McGregors of Roro', pages 242-243 (Glendiscovery.com) it is claimed that Duncan McGregor was a grandson of Donnacha-du na-Gealaiche (Duncan of the Moon), his father being John McGregor (Iain MacDhonacha dhu, eldest son by Duncan's second wife). John McGregor lived at Torrachruie and was married to a daughter of Robertson of Clachan by whom he had five sons and several daughters. The eldest son was Duncan, born around 1705. Duncan was married firstly to Grace Menzies in 1744, by whom he had one son, John. Secondly, he married Janet Cumming in 1752, by whom he had three sons (Donald, Alexander and Hugh) and one daughter. Alexander McGregor was said to have married Janet Robertson from Glenerrochty and had 2 sons. John born 1790 and Duncan born 1802, and several daughters.
The following OPR entries seem to relate to the couple.
20th January 1792, Blair Atholl OPR
Alexander McGregor in Croftcarnach, Fortingall parish, and Janet Robertson in Tulloch (of Glenerrochty), married.
There is a matching entry in the Fortingall OPR. The family settled at Croft of Auchleeks (Croftcarnach) and four children were baptised according to the Blair Atholl OPR: Marjory, 25th December 1796; Jannet, 11th May 1801; Duncan, 4th November 1804; and Christian, 17th September 1807.
Generation 2: the Children of Duncan McGrigor and Janet Cumming in Torrachruie and Annat
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Donald | 1752 | unmarried | Torrachruie | d. 1793 | |
Alexander | 1754 | Janet Robertson | Jan 20 1792 | Croftcarnach of Auchleeks |
h. w. |
Janit | Jun 22 1760 | Torrachruie | d. | ||
Ewan (Hugh) |
Jan 15 1764 | Annat? | d. |
Alexander Munro, gardener at Dunalastair
John Munro was the son of Alexander Munro, gardener at Dunalastair Tower-house which was owned by George Duncan Robertson, 18th Chief of Clan Donnachaidh. John Munro's mother was Mary McDonald. A number of the family were buried in the small enclosure at Dunalastair (St Luke's) where there is a weather worn memorial stone which still has some details legible.
1816
erected by
Alexander Munro
gardener at Mount Alexander
Eliz ....
.... died September 1794
John, died February 1803
Elizabeth, died January 1813 aged 17 years
James, died March 1813, aged 14 years
The Children of Alexander Munro, gardener at Dunalastair Tower-house
Name | Born | Married | Date | Residence | Died |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Elizabeth | Dec 9 1795 | died in infancy | Dunalastair | d. by 1796 | |
child | Dunalastair | d. 1794 | |||
John | Dunalastair | d. Feb 1803 | |||
Elizabeth | ~1796 | Dunalastair | d. Jan 1813 | ||
Robertson* | Jun 18 1797 | Dunalastair | d. | ||
James | Jan 27 1799 | Dunalastair | d. Mar 1813 | ||
Janet* | Jul 5 1803 | d. | |||
Mary / Polly (Margaret) |
~1811 | unmarried | Drumcoiller | d. after 1861 | |
John | ~1811 | Janet Menzies | 1842 | Balintuim | h. 1858 w. |
* Mother's name given as Mary Munro